When did you last drink ‘Jabol’ (cheap Polish wine)?
20 years ago, I guess, when I was building a house in Mazury. Together with my brother-in-law we bought a crate of ‘Jabol’ for the workers, but at 4 a.m, after fishing all night, we would treat ourselves to ‘Jabol’ too. It was great. [smiling]
They say that back in the times of Historia żółtej ciżemki and O dwóch takich, co ukradli księżyc, the Kaczyński brothers were taller than you.
That’s true and I was glad that after many years I could “look down on them”. I remember them from my childhood and I have a theory that if someone is full of hate they stop growing! [smiling]
In that case, one former deputy PM must have had an idyllic childhood.
I think Mr Roman had his fair share of abuse. The Kaczyński brothers on the other hand fed themselves with hatred for the system and everything around them. That sort of nutrition doesn’t boost growth.
But it’s effective.
And hazardous too. Identical twins do everything together. The President is his brother’s president, not ours. I’ve noticed Jarek’s dominance over Leszek, which is clearly visible. Jarek was probably born first and poor Leszek came second. Today, the Kaczyński brothers are like Nixon towards the end of his term, when he could well have caused a great deal of harm. Luckily, somebody spotted it and stopped him.
Perhaps it’s your turn now? We’ve had actors who took the presidency.
No thanks. I’ve already had such proposals. Besides, we all know that those actors who became presidents were rather poor actors. [smiling]
But you would be a fantastic speaker.
I even know what I’d say! I once came out top in a Warsaw presidential poll! The journalists Najsztub and Żakowski asked me why I won’t take up the gauntlet but I don’t know enough about Polish people. I don’t know who we really are. Just like those in power, who don’t travel that much and don’t know “the nation”, as they love to call us. The difference is that I admit to it.
How would you describe Poland?
This country is ‘different’. Poles have the dilemma of not wanting to belong to any civilization, be it western or eastern. We choose to dabble in our heroic history whereas Europe offers us cooperation, but this cooperation rejects Europe’s painful past. What really annoys me are the ignoramuses trying to convince me that they are on a mission, using words like “nation”, “Poland”, “patriotism”, “motherland”, and treating me like an idiot. They take advantage of the blessings of democracy. Polish people either feel inferior about their provincialism or are extremely pompous towards those ‘worse off’ than us: Albanians, Romanians or Romanies… There is a song in Stanisławski’s cabaret: “Thank you Albania that you exist. Thank you Albania, thank you. Thanks to you we’re not the worst, thanks to you we’re not last.”